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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;My small business should lease its vehicles, because there&#8217;s tax advantages&#8230; right?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: phil938</title>
		<link>http://philmur.com/2009/08/25/my-small-business-should-lease-its-vehicles-because-theres-tax-advantages-right/#comment-85</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Casey, don&#039;t think I ever replied here-- but you&#039;ve responded with some great thoughts.

Your PS at the end is a great, practical point as well.  Considering that most entrepreneurs use their vehicles for personal and business use, I agree that most would exceed the typical lease mileage limits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey, don&#8217;t think I ever replied here&#8211; but you&#8217;ve responded with some great thoughts.</p>
<p>Your PS at the end is a great, practical point as well.  Considering that most entrepreneurs use their vehicles for personal and business use, I agree that most would exceed the typical lease mileage limits.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://philmur.com/2009/08/25/my-small-business-should-lease-its-vehicles-because-theres-tax-advantages-right/#comment-76</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great site, I stumbled onto this post via BuyerZone&#039;s blog.

Since I&#039;ve got a few startups under my belt I don&#039;t get giddy about tax write-offs anymore, but it always makes a small part of me die when first time entrepreneurs say &quot;don&#039;t worry about this, I can write it off!&quot;.  Oh, ok.  Well, then, piss away as much as you can, I guess...

My favorite real estate investor John T. Reed once put it eloquently, and I&#039;ll paraphrase from memory:

Here&#039;s the hierarchy of business spending:

Don&#039;t spend if you can help it unless there&#039;s an obvious ROI. 
But if you decide after careful analysis that you *have* to invest in something that is  worthy enough...
try to make it a 100% deductible.  If you can&#039;t do that...
try to make it accelerated depreciation.  If you can&#039;t do that...
try to make it straight line depreciation.

If no dice on any of these, seriously (seriously!) reconsider.

This concept has stuck with me through the years through 5 startups, and has helped tremendously.  Especially the first part.

Very well written breakdown, Phil.  I wish every entrepreneurial studies class in college spent a whole day reading and discussing this post.

PS.  I wonder too what would happen if entrepreneurs actually sat down and realistically forecasted their driving.  Then they can realize in advance that they&#039;ll demolish the lease&#039;s limit by a good 60%.   What business owner can drive only 1000 miles per month, you know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site, I stumbled onto this post via BuyerZone&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;ve got a few startups under my belt I don&#8217;t get giddy about tax write-offs anymore, but it always makes a small part of me die when first time entrepreneurs say &#8220;don&#8217;t worry about this, I can write it off!&#8221;.  Oh, ok.  Well, then, piss away as much as you can, I guess&#8230;</p>
<p>My favorite real estate investor John T. Reed once put it eloquently, and I&#8217;ll paraphrase from memory:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the hierarchy of business spending:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t spend if you can help it unless there&#8217;s an obvious ROI.<br />
But if you decide after careful analysis that you *have* to invest in something that is  worthy enough&#8230;<br />
try to make it a 100% deductible.  If you can&#8217;t do that&#8230;<br />
try to make it accelerated depreciation.  If you can&#8217;t do that&#8230;<br />
try to make it straight line depreciation.</p>
<p>If no dice on any of these, seriously (seriously!) reconsider.</p>
<p>This concept has stuck with me through the years through 5 startups, and has helped tremendously.  Especially the first part.</p>
<p>Very well written breakdown, Phil.  I wish every entrepreneurial studies class in college spent a whole day reading and discussing this post.</p>
<p>PS.  I wonder too what would happen if entrepreneurs actually sat down and realistically forecasted their driving.  Then they can realize in advance that they&#8217;ll demolish the lease&#8217;s limit by a good 60%.   What business owner can drive only 1000 miles per month, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: phil938</title>
		<link>http://philmur.com/2009/08/25/my-small-business-should-lease-its-vehicles-because-theres-tax-advantages-right/#comment-12</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points, Jeremy.  In fact, one part of the analysis my spreadsheet does not perform that might be helpful is estimated maintenance costs and cost of disposal/sell-off under a straight purchase scenario.

My advice is in fact most relevant for a small business, but becomes less relevant as the size and value of the vehicle, and/or the size of the business grows.  i.e. a hauling company with 50 dump trucks that experiences heavy wear-and-tear on their vehicles may find it beneficial for the reasons you mention to maintain a leasing strategy.

Thanks for your comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Jeremy.  In fact, one part of the analysis my spreadsheet does not perform that might be helpful is estimated maintenance costs and cost of disposal/sell-off under a straight purchase scenario.</p>
<p>My advice is in fact most relevant for a small business, but becomes less relevant as the size and value of the vehicle, and/or the size of the business grows.  i.e. a hauling company with 50 dump trucks that experiences heavy wear-and-tear on their vehicles may find it beneficial for the reasons you mention to maintain a leasing strategy.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I updated the lease vs. buy spreadsheet from my blog posting on leasing the other day to correct some errors. The link to the download on that page now downloads a corrected [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great analysis Phil, thanks. I&#039;d still maintain that leasing is a better choice for more than 1% of businesses, due to factors like maintenance and ongoing turnover. But you make  a great point that most businesses aren&#039;t in the habit of spending more up front to save money on taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis Phil, thanks. I&#8217;d still maintain that leasing is a better choice for more than 1% of businesses, due to factors like maintenance and ongoing turnover. But you make  a great point that most businesses aren&#8217;t in the habit of spending more up front to save money on taxes.</p>
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